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Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. Question for the designers. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Erm are you sure about that? It does look better than red. I'm inclined to disagree. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. The pleasure's all mine. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. Bare minimum, low effort. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. The attachments illustrate this. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Wholely agree. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Correct. A railway works best as a single unit. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Messages: 1,398. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. Read about the differences between Britain, the. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. JavaScript is disabled. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Then theres the question of livery. Job done. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. The Union Jack will represent. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. 3 Apr 2022 . don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. You are using an out of date browser. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. BRs own history says otherwise. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. "Great" means "large", not "very good". This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. I suppose they are quite bland. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. Finsbury Park. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. This idea often seems to pop its head up. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. the handling/liability of pensions etc. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. Likes Received: 1,930. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. You are using an out of date browser. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. It's good work (and the previous set). Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. All Regions. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . JavaScript is disabled. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. 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